Showing posts with label Hunter. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Hunter. Show all posts

Hunter

[Hunter] [wits+brawl]
Dice Rolled:[ 8 d10 ] 1, 2, 2, 2, 4, 7, 9, 10 (Success x 2 at target 6)

[Hunter] [dmg+1+6 pulling at lethal incap]
Dice Rolled:[ 14 d10 ] 1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10 (Success x 7 at target 6)

[C.J. Nash] [Jesus Christ, kid! Diff 8, soaking lethal.]
Dice Rolled:[ 2 d10 ] 2, 9 (Success x 1 at target 8)

[Hunter] The fight is over in a matter of seconds, Nash pulls a gun and finds a fist planted so squarely into his jaw that it probably knocked the weapon from his clutches. It certainly knocked the senses from his mind and his eyes go dull, void, unconscious in the span of a stun.

And in that stun it's all over, before Nash can react.

The second punch hits him in the ribs, doubly him over, cracking bone and knocking him to the ground. The heavy boot of Hunter Matthews finds him near to death, bleeding out on the road and wounded probably beyond repair. Except he's a kinsman and Hunter is a Garou. Nothing is beyond repair.

Hunter is snarling when he flips the body of the kinsman over onto his back and crouches down beside his head, staring down into eyes that can see but from a body that can do little else. The hand gun gets picked up, put back inside the holster that the kinsman had drawn it from. Then there's a gourd, retried from Hunter's pocket and placed against the ribs of Nash.

"We're goin' to see Kora." Hunter says down into the face of Nash. "I've had my say, now's her turn to have hers. But let me be clear about one thing Nash and one thing only."

A beat.

"Rosie is mine and I don't give a fuck what she did to entice ya' into bed. She's mine n'ya fuckin' know that n'ya should fuckin' know better. Ya not gonna see her ever again, Nash. Ya' can thank ya' sleazy old-man cock for that."

The gourd gets crunched roughly beneath the meaty fist of the Ahroun then smeared over the man's ribs before he's gripped about the collar of the shirt and pulled to his feet. Pockets are shuffled through until the man's keys can be found and then he's dragging[carrying, pulling] Nash back to his own vehicle.

[C.J. Nash] Most of what Hunter growls into Nash's ear, into his face, is not going to be retained. There's really no point saying it in the first place, one could argue: Nash knew all this, and he acted anyway. He still fucked Rosie even though he knew she was with Hunter, even though he knew this was going to happen, so either Nash isn't all that intelligent, or he just isn't all that enthused about being alive. This is the sort of shit a man who doesn't want to keep going does.

He lies there, eyes barely open, broken chest barely rising, but the second his mind clears, the second Hunter puts his hands on him to haul him to his feet, he's thrashing like a wet cat.

"Get the fuck off'a me!" he says, and throws a punch.

It's worth mentioning that he sounds pissed off, not scared.

[Hunter] [+18 sigh nash]
Dice Rolled:[ 1 d10 ] 2

[C.J. Nash] [+7!]
Dice Rolled:[ 1 d10 ] 1

[C.J. Nash] [1: LOL not happening, punch!]

[Hunter] [1a punch
1b punch]

[Hunter] [1a -2 split]
Dice Rolled:[ 6 d10 ] 1, 3, 6, 9, 9, 9 (Success x 3 at target 6)

[Hunter] [dmg+2]
Dice Rolled:[ 9 d10 ] 1, 1, 3, 5, 5, 5, 7, 7, 8 (Success x 1 at target 6)

[C.J. Nash] [Soak!]
Dice Rolled:[ 2 d10 ] 1, 7 (Failure at target 6)

[Hunter] [1b -3 punnchh]
Dice Rolled:[ 5 d10 ] 4, 6, 7, 7, 9, 10, 10 (Success x 6 at target 6) Re-rolls: 2

[Hunter] [dmg+5 PULLING DMG at incaP]
Dice Rolled:[ 12 d10 ] 1, 2, 2, 4, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10 (Success x 7 at target 6)

[C.J. Nash] [Ah hah hah, ah hah hah... hah.]
Dice Rolled:[ 2 d10 ] 6, 6 (Success x 2 at target 6)

[Hunter] There isn't a sigh when Nash strikes out at Hunter, this isn't an annoyance. There's a smile in his lips like he's just so glad that Nash gave him the chance to do this all over again.

Thwap

Thwunk


The Kinsman goes down for the second time and this time Hunter doesn't heal him or share words with him or show him kindness beyond the fact that he's still living. He grabs him in one hand and hauls his ass off the ground. Maybe his feet drag behind him or maybe he can stumble somewhat, either way he gets throw into the passenger seat of his truck.

Hunter takes the time to pick his bike up, park it on the side of the road before coming back to the vehicle and climbing in the drivers door. "This is a fuckin' piece of shit, Nash. Ya know that?" Hunter says as he turns the ignition.

[C.J. Nash] Once he's unconscious, Nash is significantly easier to move from one place to the other. He's taller than Hunter, but he's lighter, raw-boned, and can't put up a fight when he can't even support his own weight. The kinsman flops in the passenger seat, nose bleeding, ribs crackling unheard as he breathes. In a few minutes he'll be exhaling pink froth, but Hunter knows better than to heal him again.

He's Fenrir. He'll keep fighting until he's dead.

The truck's engine turns over with difficulty; there is no radio in the vehicle. All Hunter has during the drive to the church is the hum of tires over asphalt and Nash's labored breathing for background noise.

[Hunter] He drives quickly but without speeding; this vehicle feels like it might fall apart at any second, he wouldn't be surprised if he saw a hub cap roll off into oncoming traffic. But they reach the church without incident and Hunter parks up the truck, climbs out of it and moves around to the passenger side to haul out Nash.

After the vehicle is locked, the keys get dumped back in one of the kinsman's pockets while he's dragged up the steps of the Church. There he's dumped, right on the top one and Hunter Matthews beats a heavy fist against the wooden door.

[Kora] The front doors to the church are made of heavy, iron-banded wood set into gray stone, dark with age and exposure to the elements. Hunter waits several minutes before the door opens in response to his heavy knock. Surprisingly, the hinges do not protest the movement. They are well-oiled and silent.

The interior is dark, the shadows broken by the fitful illumination of braziers mounted on the stone columns marching back toward the altar. The sense of space in the interior is muted at the front door, thanks to the lower ceiling created by the choir loft.

Kora stands in the doorway, pale hair unusually loose about her shoulders. She's tall as ever, and gravid with late pregnancy, bare footed on the cold stone floor, wearing gray cotton pants and a lime green tee, long-sleeved, taut across her stomach. Her eyes are dark in the shadows of the church, the color lost except where they gleam with reflected light from the streetlamps.

"Hunter - " she begins; but whatever she was going to say is cut off as her gaze drops to the unconscious kinsman on her stoop. Her generous mouth tightens, and she cuts a lifting glance back to the Bone Gnawer, a question clear in her lifted brow.

[Hunter] "I believe this is yours yuf."

Hunter says the words then slides the kinsman through the doorway and dumps him at Kora's feet. "He needed persuadin'." There is blood on Hunter's knuckles but none on his face and the blood on his knuckles isn't even his. When he wipes them along the front of his shirt they come away clean, skin intact.

[C.J. Nash] At least he's still breathing.

Nash is dressed as he has been nearly every time Kora has seen him, his bloodied face obscured by hair that is long enough to identify him from a distance if his breeding wouldn't do it for him. Dropped on the step, he's not moving aside from the uneven rise and fall of his chest. Occasionally, he gurgles. It's not a healthy sound.

Hauled inside, he wheezes with the concussion of his body hitting the ground again, but doesn't stir. He's shivering despite the fact that he's wearing his jacket; it's cold outside, and he's gone into shock.

[Kora] (Rage)
Dice Rolled:[ 4 d10 ] 1, 1, 1, 3 (Botch x 3 at target 4)

[Kora] There is a moment where Kora's attention dilates to a single point somewhere in the middle of Hunter's face. Still, her pale features - softened by pregnancy - have the look of someone staring off into the distance. Kora's curving mouth flattens, and there's a flash behind her dark eyes. The moon's heavy; she's furious, and in that moment rage threatens to overwhelm her.

--

Maybe it's the blood in the air; maybe's it's some errant movement of the child in her stomach, a kick to the kidney, the pressure of a heel against her abdominal wall - but the flare of temper leaves her just a bit - emptier. With the moon this full, it's a physical relief that does nothing to soften the blunt edge of her anger.

"What the fuck is wrong with you?" she all but snarls at Hunter, the flash of white teeth in her curving mouth. "What the fuck is the meaning of this?"

[Hunter] Hunter raises an eyebrow at Kora when she begins to lose her shit, silently leaving her body for that brief moment of tension that rides before a possible frenzy.

"Calm down. Ya' gonna give ya'self a fuckin' stroke in a minute." Hunter tells her with both eyebrows raised now and a look that says quite sincerely: if I look worried it's only for you and your baby. "Let me in n'we can talk. He's not dead Kora; he's not gonna die. Cuts n'bruises. He'll be fine."

[C.J. Nash] Gurgle.

[Kora] "He's not Garou, he's kin." The feral, pregnant creature returns, emphasizing the words with a sharp snap of her teeth, as if she were biting off each word. "Fenrir kin." She adds in a moment later, as explanation for Nash's survival, perhaps, but with the sort of immediate possessiveness that feels utterly territorial.

"And you had no right to lay a goddamned hand on him."

The spasm of anger subsides into a slow burn gleaming in the fixed intensity of her dark blue eyes. She swallows once, tasting bile, feeling the fixed riger of muscles aching from the tension, the flood of stress hormones the flare of rage unleashes in her body. The child turns uneasily in her body and she breathes out all at once, shoulders shuddering with the exhalation, feeling - acutely - the limitations of pregnancy.

"You have five fucking minutes." Kora tells Hunter through clenched teeth.

Then she sinks awkwardly to her haunches to inspect Nash's wounds. Slides an arm beneath his shoulders and starts to rise to half-walk, half-carry the kinsman over to the couches in the living area, warning Hunter away with a flash of her teeth if he so much as makes a show of moving to assist her.

Fenrir take care of their own.

[Hunter] Hunter doesn't offer to help the kinsman -- he already healed him once and he won't be doing that again any time soon -- nor does he immediately follow after Kora, instead he steps inside and closes the door behind him, crosses his arms over his chest and watches the Jarl take care of her own.

Just like he had done; just like he would do.

"He had no right to lay a hand on mine neither, didn't bother him none." Hunter says. "Not that it's an excuse -- look I didn't wanna have to break him like that. Pulled a gun on me, kept fightin' when I healed em' back up."

A beat.

"Can't say I'm particularly sorry that the fucker's all balls and no brain though."

[C.J. Nash] Though he's beaten to within a few inches of his life, determining whether or not he's conscious is a task better suited for medical personnel: his eyes aren't open, don't do so much as flutter when Kora gets an arm under him and works him off the floor. He is deadweight, unable to get his legs under him to help the Jarl walk him; still shivering, his head drops forward, blood and saliva and fuck knows what else leaking from his mouth.

He's not awake to either confirm or deny the allegations, but Kora's starting to know Nash fairly well, can feel the holster underneath his jacket as she moves him. He seems the sort to pull a gun on an Ahroun.

[Gwen Sullivan] The Cub is an entity that comes and goes in the Church. When Fire Claws is present she's typically to be found nearby as well, sleeping close to his side in wolf skin, slinking across the Gauntlet or out toward the woods for hunts and lessons with her Mentor. When he's absent she tends to be as well. Even other times the Lupus Philodox will be within the echoing halls of the old church, and the Cub will be nowhere to be seen. She dedicates time to the Caern though she cannot pledge to it yet, she walks the streets to patrol the territory and contribute to the Pack that she was not a member of. She's also been known to run with Bone Grinder, the Shadow Lord Ahroun, and learn lessons of interrogation and cruelty from him.

Tonight, though, despite Fire Claws being nowhere in sight, Gwen is within the Church. She'd been resting in one of any number of back rooms, and shuffles out into the sanctuary with a sleepy-eyed look about her. Her dyed-dark hair is slept on, messy and unwashed, hanging about her face just past her shoulders. She's wearing a pair of overlarge gray sweatpants tied securely at the waist and a snug-fitting long sleeved black tee shirt with some swirling design up the left side on the front and back. She's scrubbing at her eye with the pad of a thumb and hanging in the doorway, shoulder against the doorframe, frowning and half-asleep.

"What's going on?"

Waiting, perhaps, for permission to come forward. Squinting at the body on the floor and trying to make out who it is through the shadows of the unlit room, she's trying to find recognition in the limp, shadowed figure's back and shoulders.

[Kora] "Give me a hand," Kora says to Gwen, not answering her but giving her quiet permission to step forward and help her support the dead weight of the kinsman's body. It takes strain. Effort. She lacks the grace she had, and all that strength in her abdominal muscles is dedicated just now to supporting the weight of a near-term child. Who has survived in there against all odds. Her voice is curt, the flash of temper still evident when her dark eyes reflect the light from the braziers on the wall.

"He was fighting with one of your kin?" A soft snort, backgrounded by rage. There's a baleful light across the surface of her gaze as she cuts a glance back at Hunter. "That's still no reason for you to lay hands on him unless there was some goddamned imminent danger to your kin."

[Hunter] She snorts, he snorts too and pushes away from the wall where he leans by the doorway. His face is bathed in shadow but she can see the fire in his emeralds as he stalks through the dim lights of the church.

"No, Kora. He wasn't fightin' with one'a my kin. He fucked my pregnant mate. Shit like that ain't make a Garou too rational. But here he is, alive and well, free to keep fuckin' messin' with families with the next generation of the nation."

A beat.

"Somethin' I thought ya' would understand, Kora."

[Gwen Sullivan] An elastic band is snapped off the Cub's wrist and her hands move to the back of her head. Hair fast on its way to greasy, far beyond unkempt, is wrangled into a fist and twisted about until it's a knot at the base of her skull. Secured there, she starts forward on stocking feet-- black so she doesn't have to worry about them going stained and dirty from all the dust and debris on the floor, large and baggy enough at the heels that they were probably intended for grown men rather than teenaged girls.

Kora gets Nash up, he's slumped against her shoulder arm and beachball belly, and as Gwen nears her always-hooded eyes widened some, then sharpened. Her pace quickened, and she was at Kora's side all the quicker for recognition. The long blond hair, the shape of the beaten and swelling face, the leather jacket and all struck her as intimately familiar. Gwen pressed herself into Nash's other side and grabbed his arm, dragged it over her shoulders and helped quicken the journey from front door to sofa against the wall in the living area.

Her jaw was set, Rage a flickering blue flame about her shoulders and at the top of her head. When they reach the couch she helps the man lay down, bends his knees so he can fit well enough to lay on his side rather than putting him flat on his back. Pale eyes cut back toward Hunter, and her nose wrinkles in distaste, lips pale for being pressed hard to hold back an open snarl. She wouldn't be so defensive, truly, were it not for the Moon above.

[Kora] "Starla?"

A flash of dark eyed look from Hunter to Nash and back again.

"He fucked Starla too?"

[Hunter] A frown.

"What? No, I mean he might have, how the fuck should I know? A gnawer, my mate. What's gotten into ya' Kora?"

[Gwen Sullivan] Kora and Hunter are left to hash out politics. Gwen is left crouched down in front of the couch, knees out rather than forward so that she can straddle herself nearer to the furniture, to the unconscious man laying on the length of it. She keeps her back to the Ahroun, leaves the talking to the Jarl. She was a Cub, if she opened her mouth it would only be to invite knuckles or claws into it.

Rather she scowls heavily and assesses the damage of the Kin, pushing his hair gingerly from his face. There's no tenderness in the gesture, it, as many things about the cub, is both utilitarian and a little bit awkward. She's clearing the blond out of the way so she can see his face. Touching lightly at his side to feel for breaks, for swelling, for anything out of place that might indicate internal hemorrhaging. She wasn't a medic, wasn't an EMT or a doctor or anything close to trained for this, but she could tell what was or wasn't supposed to be.

[C.J. Nash] That wakes him up.

As far as beatings go, this one was fairly tame: Hunter hit him four, maybe five times altogether, but as a son of Eagle, the punches and kicks he landed were inhumanly powerful. Nash's nose is bloody but not actively bleeding anymore; his jaw is discolored but not obviously broken. The bulk of the damage seems to be to his torso. He's making strange noises when he breathes, which isn't all that often, and when he exhales, it gurgles.

Then she presses on his ribs, and he coughs so violently that if Gwen's reflexes aren't honed she might end up with blood on her. His eyes don't open. The kinsman, whose tanned skin has gone pale, whose lips have a vaguely bluish tinge, seems to consider it, if only to see who's poking at him.

He weakly pushes at Gwen's hand, mumbles something that sounds like "God damn it," and goes back to wheezing.

[Kora] "If another Garou tried to steal my mate, I would tear her apart," Kora returns, without a moment of hesitation. " - but if he was willing to fuck around with a stranger, a kin of another tribe, anyone, well, he would not be mine, would he?"

While Gwen tends to the unconscious Nash, Kora straightens and stands bodily between them. There's blood on her flank, on the sleeve of her cotton t-shirt where she carted the unconscious kinsman back to the couches, on her face, in her hair, and she's swallowing hard against the fundamental substrate instinct to shift and go for the throat. The moon's high, her rage is still close to the surface and there's a certain harsh asceticism to her voice. A certain sourness beneath the storm of her gaze.

"You have a helluva nerve, Hunter," almost unconsciously, her arms cross over her stomach. It is a gesture she rarely makes, refusing to fucking acknowledge the advanced state of her pregnancy in public. Here, though, she's just shiedling the kid-to-bed from the ahroun-in-front of her. A twist of her mouth. "You said pregnant mate. The last I heard you were intruding on Roman's territory fucking his cousin. Now there's some other pregnant mate the rest of the world's supposed to be hands off? See to your own fucking house.

"I'll have the Forseti exam him. If he coerced, induced, or forced your fucking mate to have sex with him, I'll forgive you this and beat him myself for good measure.

"If not, you'll answer for every fucking blow."

[Gwen Sullivan] Nash jerks awake with a cough and splatters blood past his lips. Gwen is quick enough to duck to the side that it doesn't hit her in the face (as though she's worried about contracting anything from him), but doesn't stay leaned away in disgust or bother. Instead she catches his hand when he moves it feebly to brush her away from his ribs. Squeezes it and pinches the thin skin at the inside of his wrist with untrimmed fingernails.

"You breathing okay?" She asks, but doesn't fully expect an answer. She could hear the watery gurgling with every breath he took.

The frown seemed permanently etched into her features, she turns her head so that her chin is in front of her shoulder, giving her profile to the Ahroun and the Skald. Her eyes don't focus on either, though, she looks past both of them. Her always-raspy voice, with all the potential for husky sultry tones like the smoke filled chamber of a 1930s speakeasy, was nothing but a raw growl now.

"There's blood in his lungs."

[Hunter] A slight ponderous rumbling escapes from the depths of his throat as Kora begins speaking and when Kora finishes he waves a hand. "Forget the Forseti, wasn't no coercion. But that's between me'n'mine."

His voice is casual, like he's had far too long to think about all of this.

"Also, intrudin' on Roman's territory is a bit of a way to put it Kora. He ain't Fenrir, neither is Starla. Just cause Roman's packed with you don't mean that's how their whole tribes gonna work."

A beat and he waves a hand.

"Besides, that was awhile ago. It's irrelevant. Fact of the matter is Nash knew, I told em myself that she was mine. Did it anyway. I ain't sayin' I fuckin' followed your rules down to a letter Kora, but I did what needed to be done. If he weren't such an idiot as to pull a fuckin' gun on me he'd be sittin' there happy as day with a black eye. He got off fuckin' lucky if ya' ask me, we all did."

[C.J. Nash] He breathing okay?

Nash manages to open his eyes now, and Gwen finds them unfocused and bleary. Now that he's awake, he's also acutely aware of the amount of pain he's in, likely cursing his daughter for dragging him back into his body when he was blissfully unaware of how wrecked he was. He starts breathing faster, flinching with the pain it produces, and attempts to push himself up.

Nothing happens. Through his haze, he hears the Los Angelean Ahroun telling Kora that he got off fuckin' lucky, and Nash huffs, coughs, winces, as though he would burst out laughing if he could catch his breath. His lung filling with blood is likely the only thing keeping him from smarting off; he can't even find the air necessary to complain about not being able to catch his breath.

[Kora] There is a moment where Kora's attention is pulled back, drawn inward. She looks - meditative - then focuses again directly on Hunter. Says, in a soft, quiet voice, "I can fucking assure you that that is how their tribe works. Starla's been in town for two moons, so it cannot be all that long ago as to be ir-fucking-relevant to your own goddamned behavior. The rules in question aren't mine. They're the fucking Nation's. And if he transgressed against you, it is my duty to punish him, not yours. Since you seem incapable of understanding that, I'm happy to let Honor's Compasse explain the matter to you directly.

"Unless you want to offer me our contrition for this transgression, you can leave now."

[Gwen Sullivan] Gwen's fingers swipe through the flat cut of bangs over her forehead, pushing them out of the way only long enough for them to fall back into place once again. She's nipping at the inside of her mouth, cheeks and lips and tongue alike, with the sharp edges of her incisors. Nash isn't quite struggling for air, but it certainly isn't easy for him to breathe either. He huffs and wheezes and every half-panted breath he takes has a wet shlucking sound to it.

She lets go of his hand, her own now hovering awkwardly over his waist and shoulder. She doesn't know how to heal, she doesn't know much of how to help him. She could perform CPR, she could splint an injury, but internal damages like this she was downright useless with. On top of that, she wasn't much comfort either. The girl wasn't soft, nor was she warm. Kind emotions were a far drift from what she was accustomed to, especially these days with the hardening paces that one being indoctrinated into the Warrior's Tribe goes through.

Still, she pats lightly, gingerly at a shoulder and grinds out through teeth clenched over the inside of her lower lip. "Keep doing that. Breathing. Cough it out, don't let it well up. You go to sleep you won't cough it up."

[Hunter] "No no, I ain't hit em' to punish em'. I hit em' because he fucked my mate n'that's the laws of fuckin' wolves, Kora. That's the god damn laws of nature. He's in the state he is because he either couldn't use his brain or didn't give a fuck to -- when fuckin' my mate and when drawin' that gun -- you try dish out whatever fuckin' punishment you see fit Kora, I ain't arguin', I don't give a fuck about none of that."

He turns on his heel and heads for the door.

"He ain't worth the fuckin' hassle Kora." Called over his shoulder as he's leaving.

[C.J. Nash] It sounds like common sense advice, to keep breathing, but when breathing causes pain, one can see why Nash isn't in much of a hurry to do something that's going to hurt. All he can do is lie there, with or without his eyes open to see what's going on around him. He can tell, just from listening--Gwen's small frame blocks his view of the rest of the world--that the Bone Gnawer is starting to leave.

He huffs again, blue lips incapable of smiling, and he reaches out a pain-blinded hand to rest it atop her head. The kinsman finds the wind necessary to get out one word--"I'm"--before he coughs again, aborting whatever thought crawled into that thick skull of his. His hand leaves her hair so he can bury his coughing in his elbow. When he groans, it's nearly a growl; it would be a Fuck! if he could speak.

[Kora] "Then I will see you at the Caern as soon as Honor's Compasse-rhya is available."

And that is all Kora says to Hunter.

The door closes behind him and Nash is lying there, listening to the echo of footsteps on the stones of the church. Unable to move, with Gwen's frame blocking the light. Kora swallows back the echo of her ancestors in the back of her mind, the need for blood in return, and frowns down at Nash. "Gwen," to the cub. "There's a box by the far wall, wooden. I have healing talens inside. Gourds, yeah?" Her voice is clipped, still taut with half-swallowed fury. "Bring me one."

[Hunter] [thanks for scene!]

[Gwen Sullivan] Nash's hand lifts, hovers haphazardly, then settles on top of her head. Gwen didn't do affection well, or craft words carefully. She was straight to the point in everything. The night that paternity results were pulled from an envelope and left to hang in the air between cub and Kin there hadn't been much catching up, lamenting about what could have been, or promising to be there from here on out. Nothing like that. Just a matter-of-fact statement that he'd have to get an apartment with an extra room and silent resolve on the cub's part to make an effort with this Kin.

Simple, physical stuff like this, though, she understood. A hand on the head was met with her nudging her head into his palm, tucking her chin and taking a deep breath.

He's coughing again, pulling his hand back so he could cover his mouth with the crook of his elbow. Hunter's leaving, the door thumping closed behind him, and Kora's giving her instructions. There were healing gourds in a box against the wall, bring one on over. Gwen's pale green-gray eyes hopped up to the Jarl's face, then the girl nodded and pushed herself up onto her stocking feet. Legs that weren't short to support a petite frame, nor long enough for the word 'leggy' to be applied to her, carried her across the large room in hunt of what she was told to fetch.

Once found, a gourd is delivered into the hands of the Skald.

[C.J. Nash] He has to know he fucked up, that this was going to be the consequence of his going to bed with a woman who, if not in her own mind, belonged to a Fostern Ahroun from a tribe of creatures who have been mistreated and oppressed throughout history. Hunter didn't ask him questions before he came at him like a freight train, didn't stick around to ask questions in the event that he was healed before he could drown in his own blood. Even were he not Fenrir, in the presence of his Jarl, he wouldn't have a lot of room to complain.

So he doesn't. It's more like bitching than anything else, as though a collapsing lung is on the same scale of irritating as a paper cut or a stubbed toe; his body is doing the complaining for him. He's clammy, blue, short of breath. Kinfolk heal faster than normal human beings, yet they die just as easily. Were they to leave him without healing, he would be dead within days.

Kora sends the Cub for a healing gourd, and he takes his elbow away from his face. His eyes are closed as he breathes. The blood he coughed up went into the crook of his jacket. He's still shivering. Unlike plenty of other people near death, he isn't begging for forgiveness or absolution. Either he doesn't believe he's going to die, or he doesn't believe he's done anything worth apologizing for.

Given who it is we're talking about, it's likely the latter.

[Kora] "You've heard of these?" Kora to Gwen, here. "Gaia's breath. They're bound with water spirits. They take some time to make, though - and you cannot keep a spirit bound indefinitely, not with a simple talen-making rite, so we don't have many on hand. I make these down by the river. Roman and I fought a battle last summer at the riverside; I was nearly swallowed by a giant spirit of corruption. He died, but came back. Just barely, though, floating alone in the river.

"I was poisoned, slowly losing coherence. Nearly dead. But the river knew what we had done, and the spirits healed me, cleansed the poison from my body, and healed Roman. So we started a clean-up, yeah? Riverfront, as a sort of chiminage. I've made these there ever since.

"The spirits aren't meant to be used, though. They aren't - things, right? Resources for us. This is an exchange of sorts, and you have to respect what they offer you, use it wisely, and do not waste."

Kora cups the gourd, imbues it with some of her spirit, and breaks it over Nash, letting the clean water run over his battered features.

"This is not a waste." She says, quietly to Gwen. Understanding something of the extent of Nash's injuries.

[Kora] (1 Gnosis spent - 4 Health Levels)

[Gwen Sullivan] Gwen stands like some mix between a sentry and an apprentice at Kora's side after the gourd is handed off, watches intently as the elder female displays the gourd and tells the story of how it and its counterparts all came to be. Her eyes only stray from Kora to check the doorway when the wind makes it creak, as though she's braced for Hunter to come back, ready and willing to change into a figure that would shred her undedicated clothes and throw her bulk (considerable for coming from a teen girl but nothing compared to that Ahroun's) against his to stop him from doing more harm.

He doesn't return, though, so she's safe to pay careful mind to Kora and what she does with the gourd. It cracks, the water contained inside drizzles over his face and chest. It works magic, takes a moment for the spirit to wake and do so. In the quiet that would follow Kora's last words, the waiting moments for the effects to be realized, the Cub murmurs quietly.

"No, a waste is the energy that... man--" she wanted a crueler word, obviously, but chose something less venomous, "spent on this. ...Stupid, stupid decision."

[C.J. Nash] They can practically hear his ribs knitting back together, his lung reinflating as the dust, the water from the broken gourd splashes over him. He sucks in a breath, as though he's been bucked from a boat into frigid water, so quickly does he go from being in excruciating pain to its lessening to an ache: he gasps, shocked, and pushes himself bolt upright. He ends up doubled over, coughing so hard he nearly loses the contents of his stomach. Blood comes up instead of gastric fluids, and Nash scrubs his face with his hands when he's got his wind back.

"Holy shit," he says. He is not Garou; he has to have experienced this before, this spiritual lessening of his physical suffering, yet he can hardly claim to be used to it. He says it again, slower, almost reverently, but he doesn't thank Kora or start to explain himself. He sits with his forearms between his knees, digesting the fact that he isn't close to death anymore.

[Kora] "If I wasn't pregnant," Kora tells Gwen, quietly. "I would've throated him." With utter confidence. Nevermind that Hunter was a fostern Ahroun, now and it would not likely have been so easy.

"As it is, I'll lay it before the Adren Fang Philodox for judgment, or instruction, since he seemed unable to grasp where he failed to heed the litany." This is a quiet aside. Kora watches as Nash sits up and starts coughing, quietly standing back, giving him room to breath, to reorient himself, to find his way back into the world.

[Gwen Sullivan] If I wasn't pregnant, uttered the Jarl in a soft voice at about the level of Gwen's ear-- Kora had a few inches on her, but not enough to make her a full head taller. The young Philodox's brow furrowed more, and a hand lifted to scrub absently between her breasts, where the chest aches with emotion and Rage.

"If I weren't but a Cub I would have done so myself. I know where he was wrong, I just don't have the... the weight to back that up yet."

Nash is coughing, leaned over the couch and half-belching excess blood onto the floor. Neither woman goes to touch him, to comfort or help him as he worked the fluid from his lungs near to the point of vomiting. They let him work through this on his own, and only once he's recovered, sitting back and breathing more steadily, arms dangling between his legs, does Gwen speak up.

"Better. Good." Because she doesn't know what else to say. She doesn't ask for his side of the story because that was Kora's place. She doesn't tell him that Hunter was wrong in what he did because that was unnecessary. Beyond those two words she's quiet. Her hands go into the pockets of her oversized sweatpants and she frowns down at the mussed blond hair on Nash's head, not at him so much as the situation she'd awaken to find.

[Gwen Sullivan] Matter of fact, her presence here as a whole was unnecessary. She determines this with a nod of her head and by glancing to Kora. "I'm going to go back to sleep." Then, to Nash: "Find me or call me, let me know you're okay..?"

And with these disclaimers left, the teen stalked back through the doorway, to the hallway with many doors and many utilitarian sleeping arrangements.

[C.J. Nash] [WRIZZAP]

Immoderate.

[Starla] "Can't see why ya jus' don't hustle up some money from like the tribe or some of yar richer kin. Don't they have money here in the city?"

August mentions the heat's out, it perks the ears of the dusky-skinned girl that was fussing with an air mattress. She seems to get it up on two church benches that she's slung together for a makeshift bed, her blanket falling off her shoulders with a colorful swear of words.

"Whole gaggle of people live here, Miss." her nose crinkles at the sight of the carrier, "Izzat a baby?"

[Roman Turner] His ears turned red first and heat rushed up from his neck turning the mottled burn scars there a deep purple with Starla's question. Immediately his attention went back to August and the baby carrier.

"Mother of God, it's a wonder y'all didn't freeze. Ya should of called me. I'm pretty sure I made sure to give ya my number on a napkin that one night in that cafe with Miss Rain. And yessum, Miss Kora is my Alpha, she lives here most of the time."

He ushered August and child closer to the fire and Starla.

"Miss August, this is Miss Starla, she's a cousin. Miss Starla, this here is Miss August and her baby girl. She's family."

He gathered a couple of blankets with every intention of wrapping mother and child up like mummies.

"Come warm up. Ya can stay here. It ain't fancy, but it's warmer than no heat."

[Miss August] "I didn't know where else to go.. " She muttered as she wandered closer to the fire and eventually set the baby carrier down.

"I don't believe I got your number that night Mr. Turner.. all I recall getting was a strong tongue lashing about how I was an ugly person inside." A beat as she began to unwrap. Her gaze for sure didn't meet his. "I do want to apologize for that evening.. and for everything else that I've done which has caused my family to distrust or dislike me. I want all that nastiness behind us and I hope you can forgive me."

[Miss August] Hazel eyes flicked over to Starla. She smiled a greeting as well as nodded in response to the question about the baby.

[Starla] She plucks at the braid hanging over her shoulder, pale green eyes set in the round features of her bronze face dart between Roman and then back to August, slipping down to stare at the bundle in the carrier. She scrunches up her nose again, her expression growing confused.

"Ya lugged a baby all the way in this snow? Why ain'tcha leave'em wit' ya man?"

[Roman Turner] For a moment his face went completely blank and then he was turning away to tend the fire, hiding his expression. When he spoke it was as neutrally gentle as he could make it.

"Give me your phone and I will put the number in. You are more than welcome to stay, you and the child. Going out in this is sure to cause all your deaths. As for the rest. We live and learn, or so they say. So let's live and learn."

Starla asked her question and he just wished the ground would open and and swallow him whole. Holy Mary Mother of God, the proverbial can was opened and the worms were rushing to come out.

"Her power is out. And the rest is, well I'll let Miss August tell those tales."

[Miss August] "I don't have one, Miss Starla. Bringing the baby with to the heat was the best plan I could come up with for the evening." August carefully began to pull the layers of blankets off of the baby until the light skinned, red haired and hazel eyed infant was staring back up at her, sucking on a fist.

The blonde kin was NOT about to open up that can of worms any further than to simply state there wasn't one. No one ever needed to hear her story again as far as she was concerned. They could make it up for all it really mattered. Maybe their versions would be better.

"The fire feels wonderful, thank you." She offered a soft smile to Roman (back turned or no), cheeks still rosy from the cold.

[Kora] The steps leading up to the church are lumpen with snow, poorly defined except by the patterns of footsteps in the rising mound. Someone's made an effort at shoveling out a path. Someone else went sledding down the unshoveled steps. That's where Kora walks, firmly bundled against the arctic chill, the collar of her wool coat pulled up, her hood over her hair, scarf wrapped around her mouth and chin, hands firmly in her pockets. Snowcoats her boots and higher; her jeans are damp to the thigh from it. The door swings open behind August and there is another abominable snowperson, stamping snow from her boots into the puddle of snowmelt just inside the front door.

Kora does not start shivering until the subtle gradation of temperature hits her. It's too cold outside to shiver, but now that she's thawing out, she allows herself one long shudder, a sharp exhale before she masters herself and starts taking off her winter things. "Roman, Starla, August - " her cold-thinned voice, quiet greetings as she unwraps the scarf. "everything okay?"

[Roman Turner] "Miss August's power went out. She and the baby have come for shelter and I offered hospitality."

He was never so glad to see anyone in his life. Though he couldn't resist asking with the snow covering most of Kora.

"That Yeti snow Ninja didn't get hold of ya, did he?"

[Starla] "Pfft. I done heard ya twice, I git it."

She clucks her tongue against the roof of her mouth, flashing Roman a cheeky grin, "Always was the nice one."

She bends down to sweep up the fallen blanket, tucking it back around her before moving off to gather up the bedding she and Roman scrounged up earlier, and tosses it on the air mattress.

[Miss August] "Hello Miss Kora.. " August sat down on the pew and scooped the baby up. "I hope it's alright that Mr. Turner offered me a place to stay... I don't have any heat.. and I'd caught rumors that you were staying here.."

[Kora] "Just one of those snow blower's the city's been running to clear the main streets," Kora says, a faint twist of her mouth for Roman. "You're welcome here, August." A brief glance up, at the roof, the broken rafters, then back down at the baby. "Though it might not be too comfortable for long for your babe, with Garou in and out. If your power doesn't come back on soon, we'll put you up with Drew, I think." A brief glance at Roman, then August, "This is Roman's home, too, yeah? It's fine. The kitchen's through the door by the chancel, that's where the rest of the rooms are. There's food there, milk and cold stew, a few other things.

"Roman, make sure to give August a room away from the Garou's dens. And put a heater in her room. If we don't have extra mattresses, she can have mine, yeah?"

[Roman Turner] "I got a couple extra air mattresses today. And if ya don't mind Miss August, I am sure Miss Rain would share her room with ya. Or ya can have mine. I been staying out here anyway. I'll make sure ya have heat and show ya where the bathroom is. We're a little primitive but we make up for it with hospitality."

[Miss August] "Oh.. no.. I couldn't do that. You keep your mattress.. you need it, Kora. I'll be fine. I have a few blankets," namely the ones she had over the baby carrier and then whatever was stuffed into her bag. "I'll be fine. A heater is more than sufficent if you have one to spare.."

She patted the babes back as it cooed. "She doesn't mind the rage all that much - just gets this fussy pants look. I live with a Garou - but he's out of town for a bit.. so she's pretty used to it.. at least in small doses.."

"Please don't fuss over us. We're fine. Just a corner to stay in is more than a enough. We'll try to keep out of ya'lls hair as much as possible."

[Starla] By the looks of the makeshift bed Starla was making out of pews and the air mattress, she seems to prefer this area as well. She shuffles her feet, winter boots that she hasn't taken off since she got there stamping down the ground. She listens to them talk, arching an eyebrow every now and then.

[Roman Turner] "Ya get a room to yourself and some privacy for when ya need it. Ya don't want someone ogling ya when ya feed the baby or nothing. Besides, it will be warmer when ya sleep. Though I'm not saying ya have to go hide in the room or nothing."

He was quick to add that last part.

"We got blankets, Mr. Trent brought more lastnight. And we got some sleeping bags. No need to do without in this Pack."

[Starla] "Ah don't think ah'e ever seen anyone look a gift horse in the mouth and reject it."

Starla shakes her head, clucking her tongue against the roof of her mouth again, watching Roman do his best to provide and fuss over August and her baby. She sits down on the pews, pulling her legs up underneath the blanket and settles it around herself, pulling it up over her head like a robe.

[Kora] Make sure she has what she needs. Kora tells Roman, low-voiced. If she needs a long-term place, we'll put her up with Drew.

"There's plenty of room, August." A supple twist of her mouth, lifting her chin toward the old social hall attached to the church. "More rooms than I can count back there; it's not a fuss. We take hospitality seriously among the Fenrir. It's the old way; northern climates demand that sort of give and take." For the second time in two nights, Kora quotes a passage from the Eddas.

"Fire is needed by the newcomer
Whose knees are frozen numb;
Meat and clean linen a man needs
Who has fared across the fells,

Water, too, that he may wash before eating,
Handclothes and a hearty welcome,
Courteous words, then courteous silence
That he may tell his tale.
"

"Beer's in the coolers if you want it, milk and soda in the kitchen. What's here is yours. Now," a brief pause, as she unbuttons her coat, strips off the outer garments down to her dedicated things. "I need to go see if Linus got that murder of Hrafn flying." One she's stripped off her coat, gloves, hoodie and scarf, Kora fishes a small mirror from her pocket.

One minute she's there; then next she's gone, stepping across the barrier between worlds.

[Kora] (aaand, must sleep! thanks for the scene. :) )

[Kora] get your transcript!
to Kora
[Rain McKellar] Rain's arms are crossed low over her middle. Her expression is somewhat anxious, but when she looks up to August as the other Gaian speaks it is with as much support as she can muster in this tense environment.

[Carter Roth] Carter frowns deeply at Balance Without Faults words and he shakes his head, an angry look flitting behind his eyes.

[Balance Without Fault] -- and the eightball comes back to Balance.

"I'm sorry to hear you've been so ill-used by your former mate, August. Tell us the name of this Garou so that we all know his dishonor."

The eightball goes back to August.

[Dibs list is currently: August, Matthieu, Danicka, Delilah.]

[August Grant] "Paul Kellogg. He seems to have .. left.." She'd rather use the word fled.. "the city." And once again, the eight ball is passed on.

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget stands at the doorway, listening to the conversation while munching on part of a sandwich. The tightness to her muscles and the smirk on her face expresses her discontent with the line of conversation. She takes a glass of ice water over to Carter and leans against his side. She offers the frigid beverage to the other kin, the corners of her mouth turning in a slight smile, an expression that simply says: here.

[Kora] Kora listens as Rain says her piece; her arms tighten when Balance Without Fault directs her to see to Izzy's complaint. The look she gives the Grand Elder is direct, her expression ironic, but not wry. When Carter speaks, the heavily pregnant Fenrir audibly rolls her eyes (seriously, Nash can [i]hear/i] it). She flashes him a look when he speaks up. Except for the obvious tension, the expression is quiet, animal, unreadable.

[Starla Navarro] Starla clucks her tongue against the roof of her mouth, shaking her head. She looks over her should at Kora, catching the eye-rolling expression of the Jarl. She turns back in her seat, shifting closer to Rain and draws a comforting arm around the kin's shoulders, hugging her.

[Jackson Montgomery] [[Add Jackson in after Delilah]]

[Derek Anderson] Derek listened, standing near Rain, August and Jackson. He owuld have loved to stand with people from his tribe but Sasha and Katherine weren't there, Gabriel wasn't invited and he didn't rally knewMatthieu except glimpsing at him at the loft the other night.

He looked relax, hands in his pockets. He had nothing to say about all this really. He has been well treated by his Tribe, other Garou and kinfolks he has met. Well Remy was a jerk but even then, it went pretty ok when he met him. He knew some people had problems with Garou, that some had bad experiences in the past. He wasn't one of them. Maybe it'll come, maybe he'll be like Izzy or maybe not. But for now, his life was good.Maybe he didn't need much, or maybe it was his upbringing, butr he was..ok with the way things were.

[Joey] When the meeting first came to order, Joey sat looking slightly away from the circle, her head moving nearly imperceptibly to the beat of some rhythm in her head. As soon as the eight ball started going around, though, her attention was on the people in the room, her dark eyes moving from speaker to speaker. For the most part, she just watches, listening attentively. She's silent, even when Izzy speaks up about her punishment, though there's a tension to her brow, a slight downward turn to the corners of her mouth. The frown doesn't leave her face, in fact worsens, especially when August speaks up, the kinswoman so obviously pregnant. Joey knew her mate, knew him for the filthy son of a bitch he could be, and not for the wisdom he supposedly held in the Nation. The fact that he would abandon his mate was hardly surprising to her, but infuriating. Wasn't August the girl he'd once mistaken Joey for? What a prick.

[Carter Roth] Carter takes that glass with a nod to Bridget as great a thanks as he could give at the moment, and sips it, still looking displeased but for now...silent.

[Matthieu] When the 8ball comes his way he stands in his usual regal posture before kin as well as his peers. He takes the time to acknowledge all who choose to look at him with a smile before speaking up and addressing the others present.

"I hear kin speaking about unity, and about working together and about organization. So allow me to speak up and please do hear what I have to say."

"Harrier's Grace was founded under the idea that the Mortal world is an important one which we garou have little direct grasp upon. In the heart of a city as large as Chicago we stand in an awkward position where mundane threats could see us utterly destroyed without the means to address them."

He takes the time to look over faces one by one.

"You wish to take part in the nation. You wish to take an active role in the pursuits of your own people then now is your chance. Harrier's Grace was founded specifically with the Kin in mind and with time and your assistance we should like to see that all are both cared for, as well as allowed to take an active role in this nation's happenings. We need eyes and ears, additionally we need faces and talented minds."

"The Mundane World is your world and if "We" the Garou are to control it we need our kin to stand with it. So any who stand ready to take an active role in a pack who will share in it's endeavours with all Garou and Kin who take part please step forth after this meeting."He smiles a little to everyone present.

"I do not wish this to be a recruiting event for a pack but what I am hearing is that Kin would like a chance to take a more active role in their society. This is what Harrier's Grace was formed with the intention of seeing through. So it remains relevant to the situation."

He then looks around at the others involved.

"We are one nation, we cannot exist without the whole of that nation working in unison. Our kin are our support network, our homes, and our families. Whatever one feels of their unique and individual position within this nation know now that we are not oblivious to the plight of our kin. We live and die with the hope that our people will remember us and more than anything our people are our kin."

"Perhaps we do not always show the proper deference or respect but we have a very difficult job."He then turns his attention to Izzy."When our kin stand and denounce us as if we have somehow broken some sacred vow it comes as a potent and dangerous blow. There are warriors in their graves at this very moment who have died defending the kin of this sept. I also promise you right now that if you were in danger there are at least one or two garou in this room alone who would stupidly rush off to their own deaths in order to rescue you. Remember this when you find yourself doubing the importance our kin hold to us."

"In the end we ask of our kin nothing more or less than we ask of ourselves."He says with a hint of a smile back at the kin."In the end we must all stand ready to give everything for this nation if that is what we must. That cannot be negociated it simply must be."

[Balance Without Fault] [Current dibs list: Danicka, Delilah, Jackson]

[Kora] (dibs!)

[Balance Without Fault] [and for the record - applying a -2 honor hit to Paul's sheet for getting publicly denounced before auspice and tribal councils, plus half the city's kin, reduced him to subcliath status. normally i wouldn't announce minor renown tweaks, but in this case it's a fairly substantial change in how other chars would perceive him.]

[Balance Without Fault] [...if, y'know, the char ever gets reactivated *LOL*]

[Balance Without Fault] [last OOC note! if your character holds precedence and wants to use it, make a note in your dibs-calling so i don't have to ask individually!]

[Danicka Musil] [I'm almost there! Sorry for the wait!]

[Danicka Musil] It's as though she had mental notes. Danicka gets the 8-ball after the Galliard Elder and speaks up. Directly, in fact, to Carter Roth.

"I know what you can do," she says plainly, and simply. Maybe even gently, though her voice is levelled directly at him in public. "I also know, and I am the only person currently in this room who knows as well as you do, what it means to be raised as a Kin of Thunder.

"The Garou will never see you as their equal. You may be able to heal with a touch, but you will never be able to fight as well as they can. You will never know what it is like to enter a new body and hunt on all fours. You cannot cross between worlds at will. You will never share a full measure of their power, and so you will never be seen as their equal." She pauses a moment. "You say you will not work for the Nation without equality. You will never get it. And in this way -- knowing what the stakes are, knowing what we all stand to lose -- you are more selfish and dishonorable than any Kinfolk in this room.

"Even in human government, if you ally insults you and will not yield, will not compromise, those alliances end, often bloodily. So too will your connection to the Garou you want to treat you as an equal. Work with them or work alone, but do not get in their way or you will be cut down. We aren't fools, Mr. Roth, not raised in our tribe. Amunet is trying to find a way to decrease our marginalization. And if you want to be involved, at some point you will have to submit to another's leadership -- and it might be Kin, but ultimately it will be to the Garou. Suck it up or get out of the way."

A pause. She looks at Amunet. "You do guard the alliance jealously, Amunet. Bridget is right about that. You seemed secretive even to me, when I tried to show you nothing but support and interest. You need to work on that attitude, or all your efforts are going to be in vain. When you come to this meeting and then break the rules, you don't show yourself as a very good leader for Kinfolk, much less someone the Garou might listen to. I want this to work. By god, believe me, I want this to work. But the Kinfolk have to grow up. We all have suffered, but not a thing is going to get done til we all get over it for the sake of the greater good. And those of you who can't do that, whose angst and baggage is too much to let go of, I don't even know why you bothered to show up."

She takes a deep breath and exhales it slowly. "The last attempt at a coalition of kinfolk failed because the Kin involved wanted it to be some kind of perfectly equal democracy, and that will. Not. Work. Even Garou have to follow orders they don't agree with sometimes. We do too, if we want to be of any real use at all."

[Balance Without Fault] [delilah, jackson, kora, and then BWF is retaking the ball!]

[Kora] (drop Kora from the list, pls!)

[Carter Roth] Carter meets Danika's gaze and he shakes his head at the woman. Before flipping her the bird, he might not have the 8 ball, so he won't speak, but the message is clear enough.

[Delilah Marciano] When the 8 ball finds its way into the Glass Walker's hands, she holds it up, gives it a good hard shake. She stares at the rubber triangle for a second; the curve of her generous mouth etches into a thinly veiled frown.

"Will this end well?" Delilah asks the ball, "Maybe."

She turns her eyes up to meet the Grand Elder's gaze for second, tilting her head to watch the rest of the room. "This, esteemed rhya, is the breeding ground for the discontent. You ask us for our opinions, you tell us to lay our grievances out into the open, so that we may be heard, so we may have a voice..."

A beat, her body shifts, rolls the plastic ball between her hands, "What is this all for? To what purpose will listening to our bitching serve you, in your judgment of us? They are unhappy, they expressed this, and yet, it will not change. We all know this - you said it yourself, it's not a democracy."

She shakes her head slowly, "Amunet is trying to organize an alliance, it has been said by Ms. Musil, it will not work. There is no organization, this is like trying to herd cats, they won't cooperate without first laying a foundation. Training kinfolk in self-defense and first-aid will do very little against a monster breathing down their necks. If the Wyrm wants to kill us, it will do so."

"The best efforts of the kin, if they wish to come together and organize, is to take a step away from the front lines, and work behind the scenes as we are meant to do. With our mortal influences, our skills, and our connections. We are the first line of defense in covering up the messes that the Garou like to make in the mundane world."

With that, she shrugs her shoulders and hands the ball off to the next person that so desires it.

[Kora] (change my mind still keeping dibs!)

[Danicka Musil] Carter flips Danicka off. She shrugs at him and gestures to Danny that she'd like an ice water.

[Balance Without Fault] [bwf takes the ball!]

[Izzy Montoya] She looks around and finally grabs a glass of ice water, and taps her ashes into it. It'll do for now. It also serves to keep her expression hidden for a moment.

It's likely a good thing.

[Sarita Ecos de la Risa] [[Did he cut or did I lose my turn? :) ]]

[Holden] [cutteR!]

[Balance Without Fault] [he totally cut.]

"First and last strike for you, Mr. Roth."

Then, to Delilah:

"I was actually about to address that. I've got a few things on my agenda tonight, and we're still on number one. I'd like to hear specific concerns from kin first and settle them as I can -- so frankly, Garou and kin of Maelstrom, we're starting to get a little off topic with all the philosophy.

"After that, I've got two incidents I want to go over. After that, I want to discuss and settle certain issues with the coalition itself.

"Let's get back to the kin. Specific concerns, bring them forth."

-- and on to Jackson.

[Gina McClaren] *Gina's heard enough, and she who had a voice designed - accent and all - for other's pleasure in her speaking - had nothing nice to say. So like her sweet pikey mother had told her with a rap of knuckles across teeth -

"Effen ye've naethen nice tae say, fer christs sakes jes shut yer fookin crumbhole."

She moves towards the kitchens, bumping past the folk in the door with a low sung "Oot the road please" - before moving to fuss with the food there, warming what had grown cold, cooling what had grown warm . Taking a hefty slug from a dented flask drawn deep from the V of dark cleavage. Liquor finally offered to Bridget and Carter in turn.*

[Carter Roth] Carter grimaces at Balance without Fault and shakes his head at the man, he does not however flip the man the bird. He simply looks to Bridget who was standing by his side looked back to Balance, and dropped his water letting it clatter to the floor loudly, maybe even shatter. He looked around at his fellow kinsman, all who had come here with the understanding that they would be free to speak...obviously that was not the case.

Before he turned and walked out a brief nod given to Gina and her alcohol.

[Sarita Ecos de la Risa] He takes the 8-Ball with a respectful nod. Yes, he is a good kin. Mostly.

"I had one more concern to bring up, Rhyas. It seems like...and I don't think this is an endemic issue, but I've seen it a couple times now...some Garou try to instruct kin who...well, really shouldn't be. And I know people may wonder what right I have to say that. But I grew up in a family that was blessed. Both of my siblings were Garou. My father was an Ahroun. I like to think I know a fair amount, though not everything, about certain matters. I won't give a ton of examples...but one I specifically recall is that a kin, new to our city and rather wet behind the ears, was witness to a Thrall frenzy that took place here. I was present and got the kin to safety...after I left, said kin was told by a Garou that in case of a frenzy, playing dead was a good idea. As if a Garou who was in frenzy, especially Thrall frenzy, would just leave them alone if they were lying prone and pretending to be dead."

He pauses, trying to figure out how to word this without seeming disrespectful. "To be honest, I was dumbstruck when the kin told me this. It's...really bad advice, to say the least. I've passed it on to Roman, who has passed it further on...but it seems like some Garou could use some kind of instruction themselves before they're taking kinfolk under their responsibility."

He hands it back to Balances-Without-Fault.

[Sarita Ecos de la Risa] [[Oh fuck. You know who that was supposed to be. :P ]]

[Danicka Musil] [*points and laughs at samael*]

[Nash] [I for one am proud of Sarita and wish him all the best.]

[Sarita Ecos de la Risa] [[I'm working and shit and it was bound to happen eventually AND LEMME ALONE! *mock cries and runs away* Okay nah, it's funny, ngl]]

[Balance Without Fault] Over behind the bar, Danny suddenly blurts out a cough that sounds suspiciously like a laugh. He claps his hand over his mouth and holds up the other. "I know, Mr. Balance. First and last warning. Sorry." And he mimes the zipping of his mouth.

Balance, for his part, takes the ball and answers Jackson directly. "Do you or does anyone know the name of this Garou?"

The ball goes back to Jackson.

[Quinn] So far, Quinn hasn't had anything to bring up, no concerns or grievances to air. For the most part, she keeps out of the way, helping where she can but generally staying under the radar. But when someone says the advice given in times of Thrall was to "play dead," her blue eyes widen, then her fine dark brows constrict.

When she rises, it's not to intercept that passage of the eight ball. It's to raise a brow at Carter Roth, the look simply How rude, trail briefly in his wake, and bend to retrieve the fallen glass of water. She gestures to Danny to bring a towel or something to clean up the water.

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget writes something on a napkin and tucks it into Carter's hand before he decides to shatter his glass all over the floor and make his way out. She stifles a tiny laugh-- it's not at all audible and she turns her face in Danny's direction so she doesn't disturb the conversation-- but it's there.

Gina thankfully offers up some booze, which the Stag kin thankfully takes so she can stifle her grin and shut the fuck up.

[Jackson Montgomery] He takes the ball and seems hesitant to name names at the moment. The information was passed along, but he was given a request. "Kristen. She's a Fianna Theurge who stays here at the Brotherhood...I don't know her last name or her deed name." Handed back.

[Kieran Mondblume] *His eyes widen at that, and he looks back and forth. He frowns, clearly pondering.*

[Balance Without Fault] "Jenny," Balance speaks directly to the woman watching quietly from over by the kitchen door, "can you get a message to Kristen? Let her know a Thralled Homid would sooner munch a dead body than ignore it, and that maybe she shouldn't run around teaching the kin for a while.

"Unfortunately," this is to all, "Garou rarely have time these days to be fully trained before stepping out into the world as Cliaths. The war's too desperate, and we need soldiers. The downside is occasionally we get a good soldier whose education has been a little lacking in certain non-essential regards.

"There's really no way prevent these things from happening. I can't publish a manual of Everything You Should and Shouldn't Say To Kin. All we can do is troubleshoot one incident at a time, so I appreciate your bringing this up."

And the ball goes to Kora.

[Danicka Musil] There's a glance from Shadow Lord Kinswoman to Shadow Lord Elder when Carter leaves. It's hard to read, for those that don't know her -- for those that are, at the moment, invested in other conversations. He might understand. He might not, even as well as he knows her.

Danicka sips her ice water, and waits for the next blowup.

[Gina McClaren] *Gina's expression at the breaking of glass is one of frank annoyance. She stands in the kitchen in her barefeet, and hisses irritation. Singing lowly to bridget - yes.. without the 8-ball.*

Trade ye tha sip o' firewater fer yer gi'en tha broom, Bridget darlin. Dinnae fancy me bloody feet on account o' foolishness, aye?

[Balance Without Fault] [wait, is Kristen there? i see her logged in. i know patrick's the fianna alpha, but jacqui ain't here tonight. well, if Kristen's here, BWF would speak directly to her.]

[Balance Without Fault] Danny, meanwhile, is hurrying over with dustpan and broom. He shakes his head mutely at Gina and Bridget, forefinger to lips, waving them off. The message is clear: I got it!

[Kristen Burke] ((I was told that Kristen was not allowed to be here As such she has not tried to speak or rebut what was said about her.))

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget moves to action, sets her glass down on the bar, and helps pick up Carter's mess despite her amusement. It's alright, the movement gives her something to do. She shakes her head at Danny and helps him anyway.

[Balance Without Fault] [OK, I just saw Jacqui sign on, so I guess Kristen wouldn't be there after all. Assume Jenny sends her a polite note repeating what BWF said, only a lot nicer and reflexively-apologetic!]

[Gina McClaren] *Gina remains in place. You know. So as not to step in glass with the bare feet. But Danny gives her the shush and she raises an eyebrow in a clear expression of "Oh Enough." An incredulous shake of her head mirroring the Fianna's.*

[Quinn] Quinn's gotten most of the bigger chunks gathered carefully into one hand. When Danny arrives with dustpan and broom, she smiles warmly and rises to carry her burden to the nearest trash bin, which happens to be in the kitchen. When she comes back out again, she weaves around the outside of the circle to return to her seat.

[Kora] There's something - implicitly feral about the heavily pregnant Garou tonight. She's standing, not sitting. She should sit. Some of the people tonight are long winded - not telling stories, not remembering deeds, not discussing the dead - just talking.

Those closest to her can feel her restlessness like ozone in the air around her. It does not take much to bring it forward these nights, careful as she has to be now, pregnant as she is. Alone here tonight, her brother - her Godi - gone, her beta in another Sept, seeking his own tribe for challenge.

By the time the eight-ball comes her way, Carter is gone. Her dark eyes follow his path through the room; she catches the scribbing Bridget does on a napkin, watches until the kinsman has left the restaurant.

The creature's generous mouth flattens then. Whatever she meant to say is distilled down to this: "I have kept my territory open to all tribes, Garou certainly, kin more so. It's unreasonable to expect you to live in a city and somehow keep track of our changing, Balkanized territory. But, Wyrmbreaker-rhya, that man is barred from mine. I trust you will pass it on to him."

[Kieran Mondblume] [Dibs?]

[Balance Without Fault] [back to BWF, then Kieran!]

[Honor's Compass] Katherine and Patrick both here, somewhere, and their player is very apologetic for being tardy! She suggests Katherine is looking very pretty in white standing somewhere near pack-mates and as well as Balance Without Fault and Patrick is over yonder possibly looking confused -- also in a very pretty way, albiet more masculine -- or simply bored.

Carry on!

[Adamidas] She opens her mouth, then closes it. Her attention seems to be intent on what is going on, and before she can really say anything, the Fury turns her head in the direction of... something. Slightly to the left. She gives the Grand Elder a look and taps her chest with two index fingers, then gestures behind her with her thumb.

Whatever that look says, it must be important. If given the okay, she slips out as quickly as she enters. Just as understated, and punctuated with a pop.

[Balance Without Fault] Though Carter's departure didn't provoke an immediate response from the Garou named for his balance, it's remarked on when the ball comes back into his possession.

"Wyrmbreaker, your kinsman disrespected this gathering again with his dramatic departure. See to it. And let him know that his antics only resulted in the very kin he professes to champion scrambling to clean up his mess."

He nods to Adamidas, then, before continuing.

"At this point I'm going to make a last call for kin to bring forward their concerns. If there's nothing else, we're moving on."

[on to Kieran! and if there are any more kin concerns, call dibs now cuz BWF is about to move things along]

[Quinn] [dibs because I gotta get something out in case I have to bail before the end!]

[Wyrmbreaker] Wyrmbreaker nods mutely to Kora and and Balance, the second nod deeper than the first. Then he gets up, leaning over to murmur briefly to Danicka before excusing himself from the gathering.

[Kieran Mondblume] *He pushes up, and then he takes the eight ball, shaking it idly.* Clearly, if he's getting pissed off enough to drop a glass onto the ground and leave, something screwed up happened to him in the past. I think that's part of the problem. We can't fix these problems without years and years of therapy that we don't have time for.

*He tosses the eight ball to his other hand.* But I will say, I've noticed every kin has their skills and talents. I don't think I'm alone in saying, I'd like to hear about those instead.

[Quinn] The tall Fiann has retaken her seat now. It should be noted that she's wearing clothes, and they're probably pretty nice, and probably includes a shirt with the sleeves rolled up to reveal the tattoo on her right arm. Nothing fancy, just some cool looking birds.

Anyway!

She sits up a little straighter when there seems to be a lull, lifts her chin, and indicates she'd like the magic eight ball next. When it comes to her, Quinn doesn't shake it to read her fortune, though she does smile a little down at it before standing to address the assembled.

"Hello," she says, her voice warm, and still carries a touch of a Baltimore accent. "I'm Quinn, I own The Winchester tavern up in Lake View. Some of you might've heard of it. Like The Brotherhood, we've only got kin on staff, so it's a safe place. If any of you are in the area and find yourself in need of a place to rest or otherwise recuperate for a while, the doors are open. To Kin and Garou alike." After that, she rolls the ball from one hand to the other, says, "That's it," and passes it down the line rather than tossing it to the grand elder.

[Nash] The Jarl is understandably restless. On this side of the bar, the Fenrir are all standing; Nash looks like he probably ought to sit down, but for the moment, he's still on his feet, his right arm held up against his midsection while bruised eyes watch the proceedings--silently, now that that first [and last] outburst is over with.

There is a lot going on, between Strider and Lord Kinfolk slamming out and slamming glasses. Nash, unlike many others, doesn't have to stifle laughter. He glances around, then finds a place to rest his eyes when Kora starts to speak. He looks back at her when the Uktena speaks, as if looking for something, but he doesn't lean over to whisper or anything else that might be considered disruptive.

[Delilah Marciano] Delilah sighs; she steps away from the table glancing around at the assembly one final time. She has heard enough, and the Grand Elder has yet to get beyond the first line of questioning. She turns away, slipping off in silence towards the back entrance of the Brotherhood' hand retrieves her phone, texting her driver to come around to the back side to pick her up as she left the meeting.

[Kora] There's something about the way Kora handled the eight-ball. Held it as if it were a cracked bone, as if there were marrow in it - rather than likely toxic water locked behind a window with catchy sayings on a plastic weighted die by children chained to extruding machines in some unlikely backwater of Guangdong province, China.

That sense of animal lingers around her. Her hair is pale, fine-stranded, her skin equally pale, winter-thing, dark eyes set above sharp cheeks made softer by the extra weight of advanced pregnancy. No matter: the wolf is still visible underneath. As now. Nash glances at her, and she lifts her chin, canting her head, dark eyes finding his with an unerring sort of grace. She holds the look for a quiet moment, then glances away.

[Balance Without Fault] The eightball comes back to Balance eventually, passed hand to hand until someone loses patience and tosses it. Catching it neatly, the Grand Elder takes a drink of water before going on.

"Let's discuss that in a minute, Kieran, when we talk about the coalition some more. I have two incidents I want to go over. Unfortunately, Amunet, they both involve you.

"First up: the Brotherhood defense plans were posted up a couple of weeks ago, and you seemed to have something to say about it. Jenny mentioned you removed the original posting as something of an act of protest." Over by the kitchen, Jenny looks mildly mortified. "What was that about, and has that been settled?"

[Amunet Knezevic] "It was less an act of protest than an act of frustration, Rhya. Again, the perception of being dictated to, rather than being acknowledged as being willing to work together. I apologize for my rash decision, and hope that my actions will not reflect poorly on those who can be held responsible for me."

Her fingers run in her hair, eyes flickering away before meeting BWF's once more. "It has been offered that there be a meeting with myself and those charged with the safety of the Brotherhood. I believe it is just a matter of finding a convenient time for everyone, and then the matter should be settled."

[Danicka Musil] [Dibs!]

[Gina McClaren] *Her flask of corn liquor is reclaimed and settled back in her assets as she steps aside for the exiting Glasswalker kin. Strider kin maneuvering her way out of the kitchen with an eye to the floor, wary for any invisible shards lying in wait for small burnished feet. The kin moves to stand between Leon and Matt, dwarfed by a good foot or more by each. Curvy kin's body language filling in the gaps where verbal communication was not allowed. She leans on Mirror's whisper, floury skirt no doubt soiling his perfectly pressed suit. A painted toe prods Hostile Takeover's knee, accompanied by a wry smile and a roll of eyes. Familiarity and Affection for both, mingled with no small exasperation at the proceedings. Her attention shifts to those speaking.*

[Honor's Compass] [Kate has something to add! How do I -- *hits the buzzer*]

[Danicka Musil] [Danicka yields to the ranked Garou present *gavel*]

[Wyrmbreaker] [dibs order is Kate, Danicka, then probably BWF.]

[Sarita Ecos de la Risa] Sarita doesn't fail to notice Gina's brief interaction, such as it is, with Leon. Her eyes narrow a little bit, watching them, and anyone paying attention to her would notice a bit of bristling. She doesn't speak out, merely watches for a long moment before looking back.

Yeah. She'll be dealing with that later.

[Matthieu] Matthieu made certain to follow the kin across the floor. Whether Gina knew it or not those eyes followed her quietly. She drew closer and closer and even took the chance to squeeze herself between he and his beta. A slight smile grew and he peeked up at the woman with a hint of a smile. She had likely been drinking and was feeling pleasant. Which was surprisingly okay with the Garou who looked up at her with familiar eyes.

He didn't speak however, simply welcomed her to join if she pleased.

[Leon Davenport] Finally something interesting happening to this meeting And no it's not an angry kin storming out or incidents involving one with the Broho'splan or anything else. No, it's the presence of a beautiful caramel skinned Strider kin, moving between him and his Alpha.

Shelean into Matt and that makes him smile, a genuine rare one from the Ahroun these days. Then she prds hm and the smile grew wider. He kept hi hands in his pants pockets, his smile turning into a grin. Then his piercing blue eyes were back on the meeting

There has been no GW kin here that he knew of. After all he knew Delilah only by her GWnet handle. He didn't want any of his tribe's kin getting into troubel tonight. He seem ot have had his wish granted.

[Kieran Mondblume] *His eyes, however, remain on Amy, and the Grand Elder. He looks, very briefly, worried, though it passes rather quickly. Nothing else in the meeting seems to catch his dark eyes.*

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget finally retakes her seat, glass in hand. Her brown eyes shift around the room as if for a second, she forgot where she was. The kinswoman shakes it off and sips the remaining whiskey, her eyes floating somewhere between Patrick and Kieran for whatever reason.

[Honor's Compass] Honor's Compass, who has, up until this moment been relatively silent, merely a formidable presence in so far as a regal Silver Fang of her ranking should be, standing to one side with her arms neatly folded over her chest; her coat open to reveal silk blouse beneath, the designer jeans and knee-high boots.

Immaculate as ever, she somehow managed to avoid it becoming ridiculous; her carefully arranged hair; her glossed lips. It was the animal grace in her that controlled it; the thrill of danger posed by those pale eyes of hers as they sweep the assembly, as manicured nails close over the eight ball.

Her eyes find Sarita's sister.

"If I may, Rhya," she says in her voice, rippling with its hint of french gentility, "I have some knowledge of these goings on. I was approached here at the Brotherhood by Adara, Song of Life, a Black Fury Galliard I believe my Alpha put in charge of the Brotherhood plans, along with Adamidas. She told me of the issues with the Kinswoman."

A beat. "She asked my council, and two sides to this issue were brought before me, one from Garou and the other spoken on the behalf of the Kinfolk by one of Cockroaches Kin." The Fang's lip curves a little, inexplicably. "My sense was that they were working at cross-purposes, here. The Kinfolk, rightly enough, want their say in their own safety, but the Garou have their own notions on how Kinfolk need to be so protected.

My advice was to meet together, and discuss it. I believe this is the meeting Amunet is referring to."

[Nash] With his left hand, Nash reaches up to scrub at his scruffy face when the tiny Indian woman moves across the room and proceeds to cause the blood pressure of at least four Trueborn to spike. He doesn't sigh or stare, but when his hand comes away from his face and returns to his jacket pocket the kinsman glances over at Kora again.

That glance lasts only so long as the silence between active speakers; a few seconds after the regal blonde begins to speak, his eyes slowly drift away to acknowledge her.

[Rain McKellar] ((Rain will stay with the other Gaian kin until the meeting lets out, but her player must go to sleep soon. Thanks, all, for the scene.))

[Balance Without Fault] [night!]

[Danicka Musil] This time, the ball comes to Danicka more easily, since her mate has excused himself from the proceedings for the moment and it seems that Danicka doesn't trust herself to catch the bizarre little toy if lobbed her way. She hears about the defense plan -- something she's only heard rumors of, not the story she just got. She looks at Amunet briefly when she takes the 8-ball, but in the end, doesn't address the Strider kin as she did earlier.

"-Rhya," she says, to Balance Without Fault, "the Kinfolk have tried before to establish leadership amongst themselves before, but in that case and in this one, there's a serious problem with Garou being kept out of the loop." She thinks a moment. "If the Kinfolk want to be heard by the Garou -- to have a voice, for example, in deciding the defense plan for the Brotherhood of Thieves, to have at least some kind of vote in matters that affect them personally, then is there any reason why the Garou in charge of defense for this place should not have a Kinfolk -- preferably a resident -- whose counsel is sought in decisions about it?"

A beat. She blinks those round, green eyes of hers, turning to look at Amunet. "And maybe, if only to limit the amount of suspicion and paranoia and rumors of discontent, maybe an alliance of Kinfolk would have a better chance of success if there is a Garou involved in the proceedings and decisions being made -- not to dictate, not to rule, but to communicate the needs the Garou have to the Kin, and vice versa?"

[Balance Without Fault] Balance listens to Katherine with clear attentiveness; then Danicka.

"It's become increasingly clear to me tonight that some level of constant communication needs to be set up between the Garou of this Sept and the Kin. That's part of what I wanted to discuss when we talk about the coalition a little more. I realize I've delayed the discussion of the coalition again and again, but I'm going to have to ask for your patience a little longer."

He turns back to Amunet.

"There will always be some level of dictation, Amunet. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Nation is not a democracy. There is one Grand Elder. One Warder. One warleader. One Garou in charge of the defense of the Brotherhood, and one Garou assisting her.

"It's not your place to rebel against that order. If you feel unheard, then speak. You may bring your suggestions up, just as anyone else can -- and it seems that with Honor's Compass's counsel, you intend to do exactly that.

"You may not, however, display blatant insubordination to those who rank over you. And you must understand that the final say still belongs to those charged with the keeping of the Brotherhood. This isn't a kin/Garou issue. It's a simple issue of hierarchy. I would say the same to your sister Sarita, or even to the Philodox Elder."

Balance turns the magic eightball over in his hands, then continues.

"The second point I wanted to address specifically is this. I've heard reports that you were seeking a Garou to ... beat you? And that you would tape this as some sort of instructional video?

"What's the story there, Amunet? I hardly know where to begin."

[Amunet Knezevic] She looks very tired, very suddenly, tongue bitten to keep herself quiet as she waits her turn.

[Kieran Mondblume] *He flinches visibly.*

[August Grant] A brow rose.

That sounded like the single most stupid idea she's heard in awhile.

Was that girl daft?

[Izzy Montoya] She's wanting.... what?! Izzy's head whips about so quickly her hair flies in a semi circle, smacking her in the face while she stares at Amunet with dropped jaw.... only to have it snap shut on the comment not quite bitten back..

"Motherfu..." snap.

She turns, and stalks to the kitchen. She needs a serious drink. Now.

[Quinn] Quinn actually does a double-take, and frowns at Amunet.Her thoughts are similar August's. What would that even teach?

[Kieran Mondblume] *He raises one hand, however, before forgetting himself, and he holds his hand out for the ball.*

[Jackson Montgomery] He blinks as the idea for the original plan comes out in a horribly mangled, telephone version of what was actually discussed. He looks at Balances With Fault, then at Amunet and back, before he takes a [[DIBS]] after Amunet.

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget tenses in her little corner of the world, and the nearly empty glass falls into her lap before she catches it. A slight amount of whiskey and ice bleed into the fabric.

"Shit," she says under her breath. Looking directly to BWF with an expression of apology, she zips it quickly, gathers her skirts, and moves towards the kitchen following Izzy.

[Kieran Mondblume] ((Though I am willing to wait for dibs till after Amy and Jackson have had their say))

[Leon Davenport] Leon blinked a few times, eyes on Amy. Ok...now that was..well..totally crazy even for her. He actually had to look at Sarita with a brow raised as if asking her..what the hell? But he doesn't say anything, doesn't smile or anything. He was mostly, perplexed by all of this.

He had an idea why she'd ask that, but to him it dodn't seem like the right way to do things.

[Danicka Musil] Danicka, in the face of people restraining the urge to curse, of staring, of double-takes... blinks at Amunet. There's no anger, no sudden omgwtfbbq. But surprise. And definite, strong interest in hearing something other than the rumor that Balance Without Fault wants to be explained and clarified.

[Gina McClaren] *Wait - woah.. What? Gina arcs her back away from Matt, squinting at the better bred strider kin across the room. Expression caugt between disgust and disbeleif. She looks up to Matt meaningfully, as if to say "Didn't I tell you? Crazy. Every fucking one of them." That flask gets retrieved and sampled from once more.*

[Amunet Knezevic] "Okay. So" She takes a deep breath. Remember what Stefan said, Ames...

"First of all, it was an idea that was being batted around. Just that. I'm unsure why everyone seems content to run around asking everyone else why I'm doing what I'm doing, but that seems to be the trend. It was considered, it was discussed, and nothing has been done. There's no reason for anyone to assume that it's moving forward.

As for being secretive and not wanting Garou involvement in the alliance, that is simply not true. The Shadow Lord Nathalie has offered her assistance, and I have taken her up on that. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not trying to exclude anyone that would benefit the alliance."

She gestures toward the departing Bridget. "She wants to talk, but she wasn't there for the conversation. She's referring to Adara, the Fury. She asked to be included in the alliance, and when reminded it was a kinfolk alliance, she compared it to the KKK. Jackson was there for the conversation. I'm sure he can back me up. My issue with allowing her to be part of this isn't that she's Garou, it's that she's a shitty excuse for a Garou."

[Quinn] [dibs!]

[Wyrmbreaker] [Dibs is Jackson, Kieran, Quinn right now -- though BWF might cut in line at some point!]

[Quinn] [WHOOPS! That was supposed to be Joey!]

[Amunet Knezevic] [I'm assuming she'll be asked to explain that....]

[Wyrmbreaker] [joey --> jackson --> kieran]

[Kieran Mondblume] ((And Ki gives up his dibs.)) *He lowers his hand again, and then he goes back to listening.*

[Honor's Compass] [Damn it, now Kate has to speak up. SORRY.]

[Wyrmbreaker] [kate --> joey --> jackson --> kieran]

[Matthieu] His eyes meet Gina's own and he looks back at the kin though he doesn't nod. His eyes say enough and he reassures her with a slight pat to the small of her back. Though the Galliard doesn't wish to appear as if he isn't listening and taking in every word. Indeed he was listening to everything that was said. Formulating an opinion on each and every personality that shows itself here tonight.

[Izzy Montoya] She's not long. Long enough to have a shot and pour a second that she brings with her, in time to hear that it was just an idea being bat around, without nay explanation whatsoever. Her jaw tenses, and she finds a space of wall to lean against, setting the glass on the table and lighting another cigarette.

[Jackson Montgomery] [[Officially voicing a request to try to keep a bit closer to the 10 minute posting limit that was established for Dibbers.]]

[Honor's Compass] Katherine's eyes cut toward Amy.

"That is the second occasion I have heard, and the first directly from your lips of insult to Song of Life, Amunet. I do not care who you believe you are, who your mate is or how valid your cause -- you will pay the respect due to a Garou or you will be sending your mate to every door in the Sept to make amends for your mouth.

I said it before, I say it again.

Respectful disagreement."

[Bridget Geroux] Bridget returns soon after, patting at her skirt with a towel. She passes Izzy and takes her seat again, then offers her hand up to speak for the second time.

[Bridget Geroux] [Dibs when it gets her direction]

[Kora] Kora does not glance at Amunet. Her dark eyes track Izzy, though, as she weaves through the room. Then, the creature glances back at Nash. Fine blond brows arch eloquently over her shadowed eyes. Restlessness runs patterned beneath her skin. Even standing still she looks ready to prowl.

[Wyrmbreaker] [joey --> jackson --> kieran --> bridget]

[August Grant] Even though she really, really wanted to be here for this lovely conversation - the pregnant girl's bladder could only hold out so long. So, carefully enough, she made her way to the ladies room .. and then to the kitchen, where she'd find a snack and linger in the door for a moment eating before returning to her chair.

[Joey] The magic eight ball starts to head toward another kin, but the Fostern Rotagar indicates the need for an interception. It goes to Kate first, and when it gets to Joey, she palms it, and inclines her head toward Amy.

"Just t'clarify, this idea," she reaches up her free hand to pantomime air quotes, "was brought to the elders 'cause you'd already gone at least to Burnout lookin' for a volunteer. And when I talked to you about it, everything you said told me you were set on goin' through with it, despite warnings and consequences.

"So you're not bein' called out on it just 'cause someone's followin' some sort've trend."

The eight ball is passed on.

[Kieran Mondblume] ((Ki actually gave up his dibs.))

[Amunet Knezevic] [dibs after bridget, please]

[Wyrmbreaker] [jackson --> bridget --> amunet!]

[Jackson Montgomery] He takes the 8=Ball and steps forward. "Just to provide my own perspective on this idea. Which, at least when we discussed it, was just an idea. It was brainstorming possibilities, nothing more. Amunet asked me, since I was a film student, if there was a way for us to be able to film...not a Garou beating the tar out of a kinfolk, Amy or otherwise. But potential sparring sessions. The reason for this would be that, if we were in a situation where combat was inevitable, we'd be more capable. This wasn't 'Beat the shit out of me and film it and you'll know what it's like to be in a fight. Hell, a Garou could spar with someone in homid and we could film that. These specifics weren't even gone over because it was one three minute portion of one much longer discussion.

"The key was, and what we were discussing, was that if it was done, it would have to be done securely. No internet access to the video. Not multiple copies floating around. Again, this was a big if, and I felt it was conceivably possible, if not a sure thing. No one was setting up sets or anything like that, I wasn't figuring out lighting and camera angles or what lens to use. As near as I knew, Amunet was checking with Garou to see if there would even be volunteers, because if not the rest didn't even matter.

He frowns. "If there was some kind of telephone situation where it wasn't properly communicated, then there you have it. But the idea was far saner and far more brainstorming than that I just heard. Obviously the Veil was our first concern and what we were discussing before any considerations came into play."

[Hunter] [hunter taking dibs after bridget, before amunet]

[Gina McClaren] *Gina's taking a fourth shot. Amazing how much alcohol can disappear into the little Indian woman in so short a period of time. The flask's cap clinks metallic and resolute as its popped on tightly. Flask itself handed to Leon, a flat palm held up, then making an abrupt cutting motion. The fuzziness in her stomach and the hazy tingle behind brown eyes told her anymore would loosen her tongue, and no one wanted that tonight. So the woman who was rapidly becoming a lush entrusts her fire water to the Glasswalker , before settling back against the Silverfang's comforting hand. Her eyes slip firmly shut.*

[Balance Without Fault] [bridget --> hunter --> amunet]

[Bridget Geroux] "That reminds me when Carter took your injuries last time. We all asked you about the bruises and you wouldn't answer. I let it go because you seemed uncomfortable, but if I thought for a second you might want someone to beat you up... What the hell, Amy? How do you expect to display leadership among us with... whatever is going on?"

She stops and shakes her head. "I'm sorry, Amy. That got a bit too personal. But when I saw you talking to Song of Life, I just couldn't hear it anymore. By the way, she has shown nothing but the utmost respect for my crazy ass ways and was one of the very few Garou who has encouraged me to keep doing my work rather than some Garou who have discouraged me from it. Maybe they've done it because they cared, but she is one of the few Garou I'd be more than willing to invite to my own house just to shoot the shit. I respect and admire the hell out of the Garou who treat kinfolk-- even those not of their tribe-- like the family we are. Family might be my whole grievance in the first place."

"My other issue with the alliance is, like Danicka repeated earlier, that it is too jealously guarded, even from other kinfolk. My father, Meuric 'Bear' Geroux for those of you who care about the formality, used to tell me all the time how Septs grow weaker when not even the kinfolk can rely on one another as family."

[Leon Davenport] He looked at Gina with a grin and took the flask out of her hand, making it disapear in his suit's jacket. He nodded to her, letting her know it will be returned to her eventually. Not that it wasn't a big deal if she had something of hers. She had something of him.

So it was with familiarity that he gently nudge her before looking back at those talking.

[Bridget Geroux] [First part got cut off:]
Bridget looks towards Amy with raised eyebrows as she takes the 8 ball, an expression of genuine concern.

[Balance Without Fault] [hunter's up, then amunet, then BWF is taking the ball]

[Hunter] [oh shit browser didn't refresh gimme a minute]

[Danicka Musil] At the bar, Danicka glances at the door, wondering about her mate, and frankly about Carter. She sips her water and returns her attention to the discussion. There's no lightly thoughtful look on her face now. She's quite serious. Bordering, in fact, on visibly tense.

[Hunter] The eight ball gets grasped in one meaty palm and he doesn't stand to speak.

"Amy came to me first I believe, out of any Garou, sayin' she wanted me to do it. I explained this to her at the time but I'll repeat it because it seems ya' don't quite get it Jackson."

A beat.

"For starters, Amy squarin' off vs me in any form is just gonna be a beatin' plain n' simple. That's just all there is to it. Secondly from what I was told the purposes for doin' this was so that kinfolk could get some expertise on how to fight against a fuckin' spiral -- scuse ma language -- n'that she'd want me to fight her not just in human form.

Now I don't know what ya' know bout' spirals but fightin' ya' is about the last thing they're gonna do. It won't be in human form, so sparrin' vs me in homid ain't gonna teach ya' shit. It won't be to kill ya' n'I don't think I need to -- nor should I try to, or am adequately able to -- express just what they'd be tryin' to do.

The flaws of this video been pointed out by my Beta quite clearly to Amy, but from where I stand there's some seriously misguided ideas based on the fact that ya' thought that me puttin' a kin near death would actually help anyone learn anythin' of value against that group'a devils."

There's a beat and then:

"The fact that ya' thought me doin' that could help is, quite frankly, god damn insultin'."